Posted by: jesuswarrior | March 1, 2007

Hell, Is It Real, and Why Are Humans Going There?

Many people cite the mantra, God is love so He could not have possibly made hell, much less send people there. This statement is based on two misconceptions, the nature of God, and the nature of man. Firstly, many people believe that God is love, to the exclusion of all else. this is simply not the case. God IS love, but he is also righteous, holy, just, and WRATHFUL. The Bible unashamedly declares that God is full of wrath.This will seem harsh unless a person understands why is He wrathful. This leads to the second misconception, Most people believe that humans are basically good. Asking anyone on the street whether they are good will lead to this conclusion. But are people really good? Absolutely not, declares the Bible. Romans 3:10 states that “There are none righteous, not even one. This is a strong statement, but is you look at the Bible’s standard of good, you will see that man is truly bad. But many people will state that God will forgive their sins. That is true, but only on one condition, that a person repents of their sin and places their trust in the savior, Jesus Christ. So God is wrathful and angry, and he is angry at sinners(everyone). But God is also just, the Bible says that “Christ will judge the living and the dead” 1Timothy 4:1. So if God will judge sinners and He is a just judge he must punish people and that punishment is hell. But does hell really exist, well the Bible makes it clear that Hell does exist and if you don’t believe the Bible that doesn’t matter, believing is independent of being. A judgment will occur and everyone who has not repented of their sins and put their trust in Jesus Christ will go to hell because God is a good judge and he cannot let sin go unpunished.

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  1. Greetings. I would like to challenge your thought process a little. We know the Bible says that God is strongly opposed to sin (and some it says He specifically hates, a liar, arrogance, brothers who stir up strife . . . check out Proverbs).

    He is just. However, He is so in love with His creation (us) that He sent Jesus to die on the cross and (thank God) rise again from the dead. He’s not angry at us or He would never had made the provision.

    Now, God will never condone or endorse sin. Mankind was seperated from God because of sin. He could not draw near to man after the fall because man was “covered in sin” and God’s presence devours sin. He created man for fellowship.

    How would it make you feel to be seperated from someone you love immensely and know that if you ever touched them again your presence would kill them instantly? That’s what happened to God. That’s why His presence was contained in the ark of the covenant and why specific orders were given on how to handle it and approach it. God’s holiness consumes sin (where sin does abound, grace does much more abound)so He was confined to a box.

    Once Jesus came, we could enter into fellowship with the Father through Jesus and His presence would dwell in us (God originated the term “thinking outside the box”). 🙂

    God showed it to me like this. Sin is like weeds in a flowerbed. If I get tangled in that weed He will try to help me get untangled, but if I insist on clinging to the weed, when it comes time to uproot the weed I’m coming out with it. When people cling to sin and God’s judgement comes against sin, unfortunately they are holding the wrong thing.

    Our God is love. He gave mankind the freedom to choose or reject salvation through Christ Jesus. He set up the law of salvation. There’s one way, through Jesus and none other. The Biblical law was established so people would be made aware of sin (the book of Romans) but when Jesus came on the scene everything changed. The law brought death, but Jesus brings life. Clearly it says it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance.

    God is not sitting out there with a giant flyswatter ready to slap the next person who sins. He is longsuffering and pursues people to their last breath. He is a merciful God who has made it very clear in His Word what is right. He has also given us the power to choose . . . Heaven or Hell.

    As far as people being good, even Jesus Himself said, “Why do you call me good? There is none good except God alone.” (Matt 19:17) We in ourselves are far from it, but the Bible says in Jesus we have been made the very righteousness of God.

    He is just and very merciful. It is His goodness that causes men to repent. We try to sell a ball-and-chain Gospel, while the world is starving for love. The angle/presentation/approach is where it’s at.

  2. “Most people believe that humans are basically good. Asking anyone on the street whether they are good will lead to this conclusion. But are people really good? Absolutely not, declares the Bible. Romans 3:10 states that “There are none righteous, not even one.”

    This is false people are born good but become corrupt because of their own selfish desires and weaknesses. People are not born bad, they become that way. They are created as spotless as Christ himself, and their creation is beautiful righteous act of God. Nothing God does or makes is bad.

    “A good tree cannot bear bad fruit” and wouldn’t you say that God is the best tree their is? If He went around creating wicked things what would that say about Him? How would THAT fit in with the Bible’s portrayal of Him?

  3. OK First of all the Bible says that, “In sin my mother CONCEIVED me.” I didn’t say that God created us bad, man became bad after the fall but all people are born with sin. Sin is inherited from the parent not because God created them that way.

  4. So aborted fetuses go to hell for having inherited their mother’s sin?

  5. Er, substitute “their mother’s” with “Adam and Eve’s”

  6. God is sovereign and just he will do what is right. Romans 9:13-16 Says “13: As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
    14: What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means!
    15: For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
    16: So it depends not upon man’s will or exertion, but upon God’s mercy.
    Our fairness is not God’s fairness. We cannot understand the mind of God, but he will do what is just. Don’t forget, that God can tell if that person would have accepted him. I don’t know whether God will send a particular aborted fetus to heaven or hell, but he will do what is right.

  7. Previous post: “So aborted fetuses go to hell for having inherited their mother’s sin?”

    No way. A child of any age who dies before the age where they are able to comprehend the choice to accept or reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior goes to Heaven period. Our salvation is never based on the action of another human being. It is based on our choice.

    And God doesn’t kill people. And God doesn’t break your leg to land you in the hospital so you can witness to the guy in the bed next to you . . . and . . . and . . .

  8. Previous post: “So aborted fetuses go to hell for having inherited their mother’s sin?”

    Hehe I know this. My question was rhetorical and aimed at showing how rediculous the idea of original sin is 😛

  9. If you are calling original sin ridiculous you are calling the Bible ridiculous. I’m sorry you feel this way. You should read the Bible much more thoroughly.

  10. Then could you answer my question?

    And just how did Jesus end up living a sinless life? He was human, so he should have inherited the sin.

    Which brings up the question, just how is sin inherited anyway? The bible explicitly defines sin as “the transgression of the law.” Thus, sin is a term referring to an abstract concept not a substance that is rooted in physical reality. How can an abstract concept be transmitted in a physical chemical molecule like DNA? It can’t. The idea itself doesn’t make any sense.

    Original sin is a false, stupid doctrine. It makes Jesus either a sinner or not human, it makes people not responsible for their choices in behavior, it makes God unjust (he has to punish aborted or miscarried children because of the stain of sin on their souls). It has no biblical support. That verse you cited, notice that it says “in sin MY MOTHER conceived me.”

    I don’t see how anyone in their right mind can accept such a teaching.

  11. According to Dr. John MacArthur Jesus didn’t sin because God’s overwhelming righteousness blotted out any sin that might have come from Mary. Also I should have been more specific, but the sin comes from the father, this is demonstrated in the fact that Adam and Eve were removed from the garden for Adam’s sin. Another thing, the Bible talks about generational sins, which are sins that keep occurring in each son generation after generation. How is sin inherited, I don’t know I just believe what the Bible says. A better translation of the verse I quoted is, I was sinful from the time my mother conceived me. I am not saying that sin is inherited physically but a child doesn’t just inherit characteristics physically, they inherit characteristics spiritually also, and sin is one of those items. If people didn’t inherit spiritual characteristics, they wouldn’t have a spirit. People are still responsible for their sins the Bible makes this clear but sin is inherited. If sin was not inherited all people would live a sinless life, but this does not happen.

  12. According to Dr. John MacArthur Jesus didn’t sin because God’s overwhelming righteousness blotted out any sin that might have come from Mary.

    If blotting out sin is so easy, why did Jesus have to die to do so? What about John the Baptist? He was “filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb,” why didn’t God’s righteousness blot out his sins?

    Also I should have been more specific, but the sin comes from the father, this is demonstrated in the fact that Adam and Eve were removed from the garden for Adam’s sin.

    So Eve’s sin had nothing to do with their expulsion? Is God sexist? And why do sins come from dad’s? Are men eviller than women?

    Another thing, the Bible talks about generational sins, which are sins that keep occurring in each son generation after generation.

    Do you have an example?

    How is sin inherited, I don’t know I just believe what the Bible says.

    The Bible doesn’t say it. You’re accepting a false tradition solely on blind faith.

    A better translation of the verse I quoted is, I was sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

    That’s not translation, that’s just plain rewording it. It says something completely different. What kind of Bible are you using?

    I am not saying that sin is inherited physically but a child doesn’t just inherit characteristics physically, they inherit characteristics spiritually also, and sin is one of those items.

    What? Got any examples or proof?

    If people didn’t inherit spiritual characteristics, they wouldn’t have a spirit.

    What? This just doesn’t make sense. You don’t have to inherit a spirit to have one. You could be given one by God, which is what it always seemed that the Bible was saying to me.

    People are still responsible for their sins the Bible makes this clear but sin is inherited.

    And you’re responsible for 9-11 and the holocaust! Never mind that you couldn’t have done anything about either of them, but, uh, you just are!

    If sin was not inherited all people would live a sinless life, but this does not happen.

    What? If people didn’t inherit sin they couldn’t succumb to temptation? What about Adam and Eve?

  13. God righteousness only blotted out the sin of Jesus because it was the holy spirit who cause Mary to conceive. I doesn’t work that way for every person who is born.

    Genesis 3:6-7 states “6: So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate.
    7: Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons.” Notice it doesn’t say that Eve’s eyes were opened. after she ate it, it says Adam ate, Then BOTH of their eyes were opened.

    An example of generational sins in Genesis. The sin that is passed is lying. First Abraham lied saying that Sarah was his sister. His son Isaac lied saying that Rebekah is my sister. Then Jacob lied saying that he was Esau. This sin was passed to all the sons.

    The translation I quoted was the NIV

    You can only be responsible for the sins you have committed. You aren’t responsible for others sins. I’m not saying that you inherit the specific sins, I was talking about the sin nature.

    Back to the idea of original sin 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 states “20: But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
    21: For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
    22: For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.”
    I think this says it all

    I meant if the sin nature was not inherited why would we sin.

    John 3:6 states “6: That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

  14. God righteousness only blotted out the sin of Jesus because it was the holy spirit who cause Mary to conceive. I doesn’t work that way for every person who is born.

    But it still shows that God can arbitrarily blot out sin whenever he wants to. Why doesn’t he blot out other people’s sins?

    Genesis 3:6-7 states “6: So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate.
    7: Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons.” Notice it doesn’t say that Eve’s eyes were opened. after she ate it, it says Adam ate, Then BOTH of their eyes were opened.

    I don’t see your point, and I think you’re attaching significane to the style it was written in for no reason.

    An example of generational sins in Genesis. The sin that is passed is lying. First Abraham lied saying that Sarah was his sister. His son Isaac lied saying that Rebekah is my sister. Then Jacob lied saying that he was Esau. This sin was passed to all the sons.

    So you don’t think temptation, the convenience of committing the act, the way they were raised or their respective personalities had anything to do with why they lied? You have to resort to some quasi-biblical at best metaphysical goobledeygook theory to explain what is probably the most common sin in the world? I’ve lied before, does that mean I have Abraham in my family tree?

    The translation I quoted was the NIV

    Ah. Ok.

    You can only be responsible for the sins you have committed. You aren’t responsible for others sins. I’m not saying that you inherit the specific sins, I was talking about the sin nature.

    What “sin nature”

    Back to the idea of original sin 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 states “20: But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
    21: For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
    22: For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.”
    I think this says it all

    Then we must have very different ideas of what original sin means. This doesn’t say anything about having inherited a sin from Adam.

    I meant if the sin nature was not inherited why would we sin.

    You never answered my question. If an inherited “sin nature” is the reason we sin, the why did Adam eat the fruit? And why did the spiritual being Lucifer sin?

    John 3:6 states “6: That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

    Relevence?

  15. Can we trust our emotions? Will we create a God in our own minds, one that we are more comfortable with thus breaking the 4th commandment? “Behold, I was born in iniquity, and in sin hath my mother conceived me”(Ps 51:5). Read what most credible Bible Teachers have to say about this verse. “David was not saying that his sin was in any way God’s fault, Rather, the source of David’s sin was a fallen, sinful disposition since his conception”. “It can not intelligently be denied that David here speaks of original sin. He has a natural bent from birth towards sin, as do we all. Given the option, we would choose wrong every time”. “God desires purity in the inward part, but it is the wisdon of God to know that we are impure from the very moment of conception”.

  16. abyssalleviathin, are you arguing or sincerely asking a question?

  17. Can we trust our emotions? Will we create a God in our own image or minds, one that we are more comfortable with, thus breaking the 4th commandment? We all need to be careful not to interpert the Word of God based on feelings and emotions. God is Sovereign and will ALWAYS do what is RIGHT according to His rightousness and justice. He will judge every soul regardless of age and will do what is Right in His eyes not mine.

    The doctrine of the “age of accountability” is not scriptural and is a man made doctrine based on man’s interpretation of fairness. Do souls have age in heaven and hell? Are there baby souls, little children souls, 30 something age souls or senoir age souls? The Bible does state that there are souls in heaven and hell, but is silent on whether souls, when apart from the physical body, have age. I used to struggle with parts of the OT where God directed His people Israel to destroy a given people, including the children and yes even women who were with child. I Samuel 15:3 says, “Now therefore go and smite Amalek, and destroy ye all that pertaineth unto them, and have no compassion on them, but slay both man and woman, both infant and suckling, both ox, and sheep, both camel and ass”. Did these children go to heaven or hell? I know what my emotions want to say, but as Romans 9:15 says “I will have mercy on him, to whom I will have mercy: and will have compassion on him, on who I will have compassion”.

    The first time I heard the statement about aborted babies in hell was by my pastor when I was a teenager. By the way please don’t use the world’s term (fetus) when speaking about life, it is just a way to make the child seem less alive. This Arminian Pastor stated that anyone believing in the Calvinist doctrines also believes that aborted babies line the walls of hell. When I was in my mid 20’s I started attending a Calvinist church; I learned that was not what they were teaching. A statement like this is very emotional and usually intended to attempt to prove something through human feelings and emotions. The statement is also used by Arminian’s when discussing predestination verse free will.

    “Behold, I was born in iniquity, and in sin hath my mother conceived me”(Ps 51:5). Read what most credible Bible teachers have to say about this verse. “David was not saying that his sin was in any way God’s fault, rather, the source of David’s sin was a fallen, sinful disposition since his conception”. “It can not intelligently be denied that David here speaks of original sin. He has a natural bent from birth towards sin, as do we all. Given the option, we would choose wrong every time”. “God desires purity in the inward part, but it is the wisdom of God to know that we are impure from the very moment of conception”.

    When though David spoke of being born in sin, Romans 4:6-8 state that “Even as David declareth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth not sin”.

    Isn’t it great that we don’t have to earn our salvation. In fact we can add nothing to our being saved. Our tendencies are to run from God not to Him. We are justified by faith, not our own faith, but faith that was given to us by God.

    I will end by reminding all that God is Holy and Sovereign. We can trust that He will do what is right with everyone.


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